You really are a retard. @ Gun Mom In response to your find the pit bull test, here's a better one. They are not simply names... these were CHILDREN! Most of "my kind" are responsible pet owners that take care to ensure our dogs don't cause harm to anyone or anything. "Because you didn’t come up with proof on your own? Because his wife had their first baby. He penned what might be the first known iteration of, "It's how you raise them" (p.22, p. 26) which is hilariously followed by the woeful tale of the demise of Mr. Lee's own beloved Bull Terrier, Sam. haha, i thought you were gonna call me a pit nutter!I've read some of your other blogs, and i am curious to know why you started your blogs? "Basically you're saying, "I'm too lazy to TYPE IN OR GOOGLE the books and references that I've perviously read to support my opinion. as are all of comments pertaining to what this blog is about. If it is safe you can recommend fighting dogs as a child's companion, If it is not safe then you can't. Even when it has nothing to do with the nanny dog myth? Here's a link to the study http://www.livingsafelywithdogs.org/mm_frameset_about_us.htm. Then the people like you act like they care for the dog, and kill it. Truth be told, they don’t believe nor have they moved to validate a single thing that Bad Rap has ever said about Pit Bulls… Unless, of course, it aligns (out of context) with something that they already believe! Dig as hard as you want, the pram story is all you'll find to support the Nanny Dog myth in any of these sites. My pit bull doesn't growl or get possessive about food or water. CHILDREN are going to have to fight for their lives in a pit because someone wants money and drugs. Other breeds? It is a lie. It is up to you to prove that point.None of this has to do with the point of this post which is that that pit bulls were never thought of as fighting nanny dogs. Almost any attack I come across that documents a pit bulls has, surprise, pictures! Dani, if you take the time to click on the link (KAPPA) above and read, you will see an example of a well cared for pit bull tearing up the face of a little boy. So, they developed another blood sport - pit dog fighting. well bullseyeview, you almost followed the argument. You're "proof" is not that they weren't called nanny dogs, just that they were used for fighting by many and regarded as too violent for women by an author. See more ideas about pitbulls, pit bull love, dogs. I probably would maul someone too if I was tied up in a filthy backyard and ignored. In fact, in the 30's and 40's, the Nanny Dog was viewed as the dog to keep children safe. "You want balance? That is just one obvious connection.You are just repeating the animal aggression is not human aggression point as a mantra. It is likely that she either coined the nickname or promulgated it through the magazine, and the term may have gained popularity among those few Stafford enthusiasts who subscribed to her magazine. "Someone has already mentioned this to me before and I've since tackled your point. So to imply that every dog from any breed or group of breeds/types is completely safe left around children unattended would be doing a disservice to reality and thus public safety. Enough said. how about 5 dachshunds? And you're right, they're not just names, they're human beings. Perhaps the breed known today is much more aggressive than it was at a certain time? What pit bulls were bred to do is attack and kill or die trying.And none of that is about the nanny dog.And now you're the one twisting words. any true pit bull owner will say what i said because guess what, us pit bull owners are a fighting bunch. Pit bull breed getting bad rap, says dog-behaviour expert Back to video. pay the fees for mangled pets instead of removing their dog temporarily or running from the scene; as well as stop blaming generally benign animal victim. I never trust a person who hates animals and blames them for the error of mankind. Every problem I have ever heard about occured because the owner was either not paying attention or trusted their pet. No they do not, are you an idiot? But do you honestly think that's a valid excuse for the pit bull to kill and maim more than any other breed regardless of ow the dog is treated? it's called SARCASM. I have always wondered why Britain banned apbts and not staffordshire bull terriers, since they are both pit bulls and both came from the fighting bull terriers from Staffordshire England as this blog post clearly shows. This comment continues to be rolled out by random anti-Pit Bull scaremongers as “proof” that Pit Bulls were never “nanny dogs.” They’ll then try to use this narrative to imply that Bad Rap has had a hiccup of dignity while the rest of us (millions of people) continue endangering all of America by allowing our “landsharks” to walk public streets as the innocent dogs that they actually are. please bring your findings to the table. She was not aggressive in any way to other dogs or people. People have a russian roulette of genetics due to unregulated sex; dogs generally do not. "As to your comment about my comment... you at first indicate that you think loved and well cared for pits attack and then go on to say that this angry pit bull got fed up with his abusive owner. All undone with a single article.http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_upshot/20110602/od_yblog_upshot/pit-bulls-surprising-past-nanny-dogsIf you click on the blog post linked to this article, you will find a hell of a lot of old pictures showing children with friendly pit bulls--I don't know if this means they were called "The Nanny Dog" or not--frankly, sounds like a bit of a sissy name (no kid ever used it, that's for sure), but people unquestionably thought of them as safe companions for children, which is the only point an intelligent person would be considering. Yes your group is highly irresponsible; read the link in which I was speaking of people like Ledy removing any law that promotes responsible ownership and safe communities. Nowhere did it mention here that no one should be allowed to own a pit bull. ONLY people who own pit bulls can study them or have an opinion about them. You haven't proven anything." Remember, only people are ignorant, not animals. The whole purpose of Schutzhund and the models based off of it were made to train GSD and their cousin the Belgian Malinois. every animal has aggression, even people. If you have more than that, show it.I seem to remember that no one can visually identify a pit bull...Anyhow, it is nice to see nutters are slowly abandoning the patently unfounded myth of the nanny dog and are now pinning their hopes on a bunch of old, unidentified photographs. How do you know that wasn't a "resident" dog that was kept in a yard? you are too closed minded.i didn't publish your second comment because you violated my comment policy - see above. There are a lot of "truth about pit bulls" returns. So why can't we look past one aspect of a pits history and realize they aren't monsters?Pit bulls are extremely eager to please their masters and show a high degree of human friendliness, both traits that were twisted for the benefit of violent men. seems as though you guys have a shitty past. better guidelines and regulations for the breed. Newfoundlands are molosser types, the caniche (poodle) is a retriever type. She likes to cuddle. You seem to have missed the fact that the basis for this blog post is HISTORY. the american pit bull terrier, the american staffordshire terrier and the staffordshire bull terrier (not the english staffordshire), and the english bull terrier are all distinct separate breeds but they belong in the same category of gripping dogs. our modern Bull Terrier is a very different creature from what he was half a century ago. And how about the history of the term "America's Nanny Dog" referring to the American Pit Bull Terrier or the American Staffordshire Terrier? today, spanking your children is not illegal, people still practice it although less often. Remember a single mention of nanny dog is not proof that the dogs were commonly known as nanny dogs. just like every other religious fanatic, the burden of proof is on the pit nutter to PROVE their fairy tales are true!thanks DubV. Also very good, FOCUS! She is using a variation of the argument that Mr. Lee used 77 years before about the Bull Terrier, suggesting that the Staffordshire Bull Terrier's unsavory reputation as a fighting dog has been left in the far distant past. as for the great inventer thomas edison and his use of pit bulls, every thing i have read about him leads me to believe that he was not a good man and probably a sociopath. While it is too late for many children, hopefully many will be saved in the future. Some were used as nanny dogs used by people to watch ther kids, according to Hassett. Not that I would recommend it, but one type of aggression does not guarantee the other. not sure you need to buy a book. There are other breed groups who will loudly warn of their breeds temperament and faults. Balance and truth do partner, as in keeping a balanced point of view when in search of the truth. @ msteeleart What does that have to do with the nanny dog myth, nothing! For both of those, just go to this post and then read the hyperlinks within it. So even if the nanny dog myth was true, it would not hold ground because the breed of dog is much different than what it once was. Why aren't labordoodles killing everyone? you apparently have some personal problem with pit-bulls, maybe you should see someone about that. Other breeds have been bred for those purposes and have kept their titles for a reason. If it's so common then it should not be to find several documents that show this. So many dogs of wildly differing appearance and behavior are described as 'pit bulls' that the term loses all meaning. It is a want ad for a fighting dog: Pleshey Chelmsford Wanted a Staffordshire bull terrier dog must have an exceedingly long nose and thoroughly game to face anything and win A tried dog preferred PS For special purpose weight 34 lb 944, 1871 Exchange and Mart and Journal of the Household. While it is too late for many children, hopefully many will be saved in the future. Its their right to kill themselves so long as it doesn't involve anyone else. The bull terrier had the courage of the bulldog and the jaws and quickness of the white terrier. Toro/provi, the post above explains that the first explicit mention of the nursemaid dog that can be found was in reference to the modern 1970s STAFFORDSHIRE BULL TERRIERS and that reference was made by an American breeder of STAFFORDSHIRE BULL TERRIERS.Ten years later, the first specific mention of a "nanny dog" that can be found was by a Canadian breeder of STAFFORDSHIRE BULL TERRIERS says that in England a long time previous, STAFFORDSHIRE BULL TERRIERS were called Nanny Dogs. It's not that hard. They were bred as companion animals, not fighters. All it was stating was that pit bulls were not known as nanny dogs; end point. Thank you for remembering them.4truth - Did you see that all of the books are online in their entirety in google books? Oh wait - genetics. i think you'll like it there. Thirdly, almost ANY breed of dog has a better record of being family pets than the pit bulls. You're certainly down, well see if you've really tucked your tail and run out as well.Again you're talking about documented and proven information when all that means is its been repeated over and over in the echo chamber of the pit bull propaganda sites.Yeah, I don't live near a ranch but I've heard of heelers and collies and they work on ranches. We need to look beyond breed and focus on the owners who encourage bad behavior in their pets. Bad Rap are a Pitbull activist group who have led the way on this. Why do you think that people are pissed at your community and pit bulls? I don't think I've written anything that isn't factual. @Digger"This is what we call moving the goal post. http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_people_killed_by_horses_every_year_in_USHere is the fact. "This is what we call moving the goal post"That’s what you call it because it doesn’t fit with your ranting and raving about pits. One hundred years ago people were dumber about germ theory, but they'd already lived with dogs for about 14,000 years by then. I present to you… The “nanny dog” and Bad Rap commenting on the “nanny dog”! Stop confusing this domestic animal with a wild panther or lion. craven desires is a HATEFUL blog. Jul 24, 2013 - Explore Marilyn Pratt's board "Pitbulls: Bad Rap", followed by 115 people on Pinterest. They are different breeds and not all breeds can be lumped into a term that really has no definition?I have seen many dogs and trained many dogs and have yet to see any breed of dog that does not potentially exhibit aggressive and/or fearful behavior.So when you talk about facts, but have everything confused, it invalidates expertise and leaves it completey as uneducated opinion. What happened to that idea that no one can find a pit bull? """we don't have a lot staffy bulls in the US, so they are not a problem here but they are huge problem in the UK."""" Maybe you're a little smart after all.Also, you do know that anyone can edit a wiki page and that anyone can assert something as fact with out any evidence? that would disqualify pits for guide/service work. Please go and do your research properly..interview some people..read REPUTABLE articles/journals/papers..before posting this sh*t. I own an English staffie and here in south Africa they are very much loved and adored...we ban pit bulls here as do many other countries...totally different dog. I own 2 UKC registered american pit bull terriers. You trying to construe this as meaning they are disconnected is wrong. take a look around, you might learn something. Dogs are individuals. More than 40 fatal attacks in the past five years alone have been pit bulls. Nanny is a well deserved name, oh my, you are too stupid for words. this blog isn't for people like him, it's for people who have not yet been brainwashed.chris made the following grossly exaggerated statement: "Babies have been killed by toy dogs" to which i would like to respond to his almost truthful comment: ONE pomeranian mix killed ONE baby. I'm 18yrs old, I am the youngest hander in a professional dog sport called Mondio Ring, My hero is my pit bull who saved me and my girlfriend from a carjacking. So, it looks like just the ranting bloggers and a few people trying to give them a real perspective are wasting their time on this 'argument'. It would be balanced if advocates promoted better guidelines and regulations for the breed. While clearly there is a large group of people who are against American Pit Bull Terriers (obvious statement, proven solely by insurance companies and BSL), but with all the outrage against the dog, why is there no outrage towards their owners and breeders? :-). No goal post is being moved, at least not by me. He is taking the point of the blog, which is examining a truth claim, and then spinning it into being about the US Constitution. Have you ever met an apbt that you liked? :-) Seeing all the lifes lost to attacks breaks my heart just as much as it does yours, but i know there are other ways of preventing it... and bsl is not the answer.What do you think about the pit bulls that have saved the lifes of humans & animals? Instead of banning a breed, start getting to the root of the problem, and ban irresponsible owners as THEY are the ones that should be punished. In fact, you're only helping them and I find it disappointing that someone claiming to seek balance and truth would be so stupid as to support these people by adding to the bad reputation of a dog already being sought out as a status symbol by criminals and idiots. So you decided not to post my previous comment..was it too factual for your liking or what? Love that! This is because Newfoundland Dogs are also said to be nanny dogs in that they meet these requirements of being particularly protective and affectionate towards children. one day you will realize that, until then good luck...your gonna need it. What about small terriers like Jack Russells? Case closed! I've seen the damage an APBT can do.. but I've also felt the love they can give.I'm an APBT owner and always will be. "Pitbulls are similar to the American Akita in that they were bred to have strong prey drives. C.) Photos that tell nothing of the dogs lineage or amount of time with child.Etcetera Your "logic" didn't strike a nerve with me Cory, but your sheer stupidity and lack of common sense did. They're now essentially saying if we can find a bunch of photos of kids and dogs, those dogs were nanny dogs, thus rendering the term meaningless! And this is the truth of how pit bulls were seen at the turn of the 20th century. "The old lovers of the bulldog found to their dismay that sometimes a terrier, with only quickness and a pair of punishing jaws to recommend him, would kill a bulldog while the latter was merely hanging on. No! mward, what an absolutely bonkers comment. The Nanny Dog argument is no longer valid in the way that Mrs. Rant used it in 1971 when the general public was not aware of contemporary dog fighting. Thanks Neil!! on behind the term was innocent, using it may mislead parents into being careless with their children around their family dog - A recipe for dog bites! And I've noticed that as well... the providence of proof that is; or lack thereof.We shall see what evidence they will provide of their claims, even though most of her rant has absolutely nothing to do with the nanny dog topic we're handling. Which should not be amazing or revolutionary seeing how they were bred with the instinct to fight. we have simply proven that the pit bull advocates have no objective, historical references outside of nutter literature and websites. you are going to LOVE my blog post on the ATTS. Let's put it in retrospect, a dog is a gun, they has the capability to kill. Go to the library, there is plenty of evidence, I found numerous newspaper articles and ads with a simple search. :) Later sucka.... You only source yourself? poor stacey, you are very confused about temperament, pete, please read the the truth about the ATTS. And if photos are a clear evidence of the nanny dog, then Saint Bernards are nanny dogs to. Because they work better. The ranch dog comment was in response to another poster that stated they were never intentionally bred for any other purpose. Just click on the links. Cull any dog that shows aggression of any sort and outcross with other tamer breeds and tame the most temperamentally sound of those breeds. UPDATE 5/21/13: Two years and nine months after the Nanny Dog Myth Revealed was first published, BAD RAP, a major pit bull advocacy group publicly announced that it will no longer support the Nanny Dog myth because it endangers children. Now the prob begins with people training them badly most drug dealers. - no personal document with those images. "I'll be first to say not everyone should own a pit, and that not all of them are stable due to bad breeding or mishandling but why not gain some true knowledge of these breeds and start preaching responsible ownership rather than maligning the entire breed? None of those kennel clubs recognize "English SBT" "Canadian SBT" or "American SBT" as separate breeds. plenty of loved and well cared for pit bulls attack. We ban people who are dangerous from our society (institutions, jail, etcetera), so we should ban dangerous dogs too. Though J.M. What makes them better nanny dogs even is the fact that they have a low maim and mortality rate among kids and people. Dear cravendesires.Keep your insults for who may appreciate them; you are making a fool of yourself.You are defeating the point and that is obviously frustrating you: How many times have you listed the ENGLISH Staffordshire Bull Terrier, which is the Nanny Dog and a different breed from the American Stafford, which you obnoxiously keep on calling just Staffordshire Bull Terrier.And for your own sake, go back to school and learn respect and manners.I bet you won't publish this comment. Here's a bit about how great dogfighters' parenting skills were.Cory wouldn't recommend giving a fighting dog to be a child's companion but he thinks its "plausible?" Take some B12, and come back if that helps. Hasn't a pit nutter ever been misled by a brochure like this? Sam was incredibly talented and an incomparable companion who, owing to fighting blood on his sire's side, became increasingly aggressive. "Breeder Kathy Thomas, president of the Staffordshire Bull Terrier Association said, 'We're aware of the fighting - there's a lot of it in the Hamilton area. @ Cory:You sure do love to change the topic don't you? It is also absolutely true that the vast majority of pits I see are less than a year old. You would think an advocacy group so intent on dismissing myths would see the clear fault in their argument. All but two sources were written before the internet was widely available, and the most recent one is a book by a SBT lover! sounds like YOU and the BBC need to do a little more research.as for the photos, they are staffy bulls. Where's your proof of this? Looks like they still want to claim pit bulls are nanny dogs absent any proof of it.By their use of "argument from ignorance" I can say that all early 20th century pit bull owners suffered from anencephaly and, absent any specific proof to the contrary, they'd have to accept my statements as true. david, you obviously haven't been to my other blog craven desires. please don't exaggerate that societal change. Oh and you clowns sound the silliest spasses in the world. i found that information on the AKC website.http://www.akc.org/breeds/american_staffordshire_terrier/history.cfmalso http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/ lists registries for each breed.actually i can't take credit for this. Obviously many did. Which further solidifies the fact that pit bulls are different than other game breeds. We enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”, “The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly - it must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over.”. "The APBT is not the best choice for a guard dog since they are extremely friendly, even with strangers. If I'm not mistaken, Hitler made some wonderful propaganda that showcased jews being sent to decent places and possibly having fun to some extent. While photos/movies of kids and pets are cute to look at, the reality of leavening a pet that is depended on it's owner to care for it "in charge" of a child is a huge fail at parenting no matter what breed or species. yes, he is most definitely breeder and an irresponsible owner. Your argument is faulty and flawed, now you're just scraping at the bottom of the barrel in hopes that some form of copy-pasted information you throw out in your defense will actually work. dispelling the nanny myth is similar to dispelling the god myth. Curious if any of your "Research" is derived from any sources other than the Internet? "First, saying you found evidence and then not providing it is the same as not having any evidence at all. Charles Dickens also seemed unaware of the Bull Terrier's special powers as a nanny, but was aware of the pit bull's capacity for human aggression. "That's right, and I specifically mentioned the limits of my research and specifically invited people to do their own research and disprove me. But she IS aggressive with other dogs, she was bred to be... has she ever attack or killed another dog? They labeled the dog as a "pit bull" in the news article about the event, however her dog is a foxhound. The pit bull apologia would have you believe that their fighting bred dogs are just like any other dog in many ways, but so superior in their unparalleled love and devotion for children they were commonly known as "The Nanny Dog" throughout the late 19th and early 20th centuries. I would like to add that this specificnutter cannot spell check worth a damn. There's no point in debating with a liar who's also delusional and obtuse beyond reason. looks like someone took me up on my challenge to find an abundance of evidence that pit bulls were called nanny dogs and failed. We can agree to disagree on that last point. Punish the people that own the dogs, they are the ones that have a choice, not the dogs. She was attacked by her well loved, socialized, trained pit bull. You haven't proven anything. All undone with a single article. " could 5 cocker spaniels kill a healthy adult man? We need to get this out for everybody to see so they too can know the truth.And thank you for sharing that information, April 29. nanny's helper dogs worth their weight in gold ... Posted by Donna at 8:05 AM. clearly you are not able to comprehend the basics. If Beagles didn't have a great sense of smell, they wouldn't exist. check out this angry pit bull who finally just got fed up with his abusive owner and broke a kid's nose and delivered 64 stitches to his face.KAPPA. Since the Staffordshire Bull Terrier enthusiasts didn't see fit to support their claims, I decided I would have to find the origin of the Nanny Dog myself. Not all owners say its the humans fault every time a pit bull attacks. As for other breed attacks, I try and keep track of them here when I have the time. First any dog is capable of harming anyone, watch the dog whisperer (you may learn something), you rarely see pits acting a fool on there and when you do see pits they are Ceasars favorite dogs(and example he uses to help ppl with their dogs), they were breed to love people because they were fought in the ring. American dogs! regarding your early film postings of pits: Did it ever occur to you that as America's dog of choice at the turn of the century, they would naturally be trained to use in films for material people liked to see at that point in time? If you arent closed minded then you should have no trouble finding it yourself since you seem so intent upon giving them a 'bad rap'. Just don't let any frankenmauler pop out another ugly spawn. i'm glad to find your blog, and will be following, and will link it from this article:hubpages.com/hub/pit-bull-attacksi find the pit bull defenders unable to respond intelligently when confronted with the truth. Furthermore, are you aware of the difference in view of children then and now? Ive had many since, and I find that it would be fairly hard to actually MAKE one of these dogs into a bad or aggressive dog.I dont expect you to change your mind by reading this but if you ever owned one or have been around a variety of them, you would almost have to second guess yourself.Oh and by the way, the majority of reported pitbull attacks are done by dogs that are not of any pitbull breed. Her contention that Staffordshire Bull Terriers are OFTEN referred to as nursmaid dogs is a little bit of a stretch, too. Heh, funny... @ FlametreekennelsFrom your name it appears as though you're a breeder of some sort; most likely a pit bull breeder since you've come her to defend them. When I was a teenager, I was chased by a German Shepherd and if the owner wouldn't have restrained him, I would have been mauled. image via – youtube.com. i simply asked you to make your point on this blog and make it quickly. 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